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Naklin 
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  Fri 30 Mar 2007 - 7:32  #
I need anyone with whatever knowledge or good understanding of logic (that sometimes helps a LOT), and who wishes to contribute and help our progress in finding solutions when version numbers dont match of english / french clients with chinese servers.

please post your knowledge, even if it be BASIC / PASCAL, or HTML scripting, and more or less the level of knowledge / depth.

if you just write "good understanding of logic", that fine by me.
i need some people that are able together with me, to set up an emergency cell, once those cases happen (not very often), and work on a solution.
we will hopefully then create some threads where each one contributes his progresss, and others can benefit from that failed or successed attempt and description, in order to find the final solution.

it aint as hard as it seems.
thanks...

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  Fri 30 Mar 2007 - 9:03  #
PS: everybody go check the NGACN.COM boards, with search terms like:
魔兽世界 1.12.3 英文 wow.exe
for example, or different.
TONS of posts of TONS (truly tons) of chinese using english wow. and please filter the peeps who bring good solutions, for contacting, or find a post with the full source fo the loader.

would be great. esp if some guys here (luna?) have better chinese than me.

thx....

maybe they also have some info on the TWN version diff.

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  Fri 30 Mar 2007 - 13:32  #
i will try my best with the help of my wife Smile

THX for helping nak Smile

THIS IS SPARTA !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  Fri 30 Mar 2007 - 13:42  #
THIS IS NOT FRANCE... OYEAH!

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  Fri 30 Mar 2007 - 14:03  #
sparta this is (master yoda)
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  Fri 30 Mar 2007 - 21:23  #
I would join but am more like a drag than anything... but yah i'll go in.
My current computing skills are:

Javascripting, c++, cba+++, adnd, joga, jahabaraboo, and common language: AlDebarad!, Valdarsliske, NEvRakarad
lol
actually.... none...

But count me in because; well i can help on something i think Wink
Regarding the ngacn thing, i'll give it a read a bit later probably between these days; by the way the thing is actually in http://bbs.ngacn.com/ and NOT http://www.ngacn.com lol i was searching for info on quest and whatnot.


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Luna 
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  Fri 30 Mar 2007 - 21:23  #
I quoted myself. . .
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  Sat 31 Mar 2007 - 7:17  #
2.011 is killing me. ATM im only pvping but when BC comes in a few days I need to be questing to level to 70

I am willing to learn to program in 3 days :p

I will help in any way I can, just ask
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  Sat 31 Mar 2007 - 7:43  #
I will also give it a shoot.
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  Sat 31 Mar 2007 - 8:05  #
Hi,
Seems like there are other with the same problem. I used WOW enUS client for playing in South Korea until the famous 2.0.11 patch arrived here. Now it's grinding time using korean client. Rolling Eyes

Hopefully, we could find some fix together ??

BTW, for korean font inside enUS I got a patch. Just got to patch after installation and prior to applying any updates. Is there any similar for chinese characters ?

Cheers!
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  Sat 31 Mar 2007 - 23:00  #
double post.....
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  Sun 1 Apr 2007 - 5:31  #
I have a little bit of programming experience. I have a CompSci major (even though I was quite lazy during my college years angel )

I can use all major languages C, Java, etc. Some Assembly. I hacked my first game (Star Wars X-Wing) through hex-editing machine code back in the 80s.

I'll do my best to help!
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  Sun 1 Apr 2007 - 22:19  #
BOOYA, a hobby coder who cracked his own game once. feels good not to be alone.

all help is welcome.

i was lazy during weekend. did NOTHING but rest. i had hard 5 dayz of work. so, yeah.
plus, i gotta explain to my raid, that after soon 1 year, i will leave them because they dont get their shit together.

but all in all, happy to start a new week, and ook a little more into that whole story.

only downside:
i dont really wann download the WHOLE wow + BC client from TWN. i MUST install TWN version then also. i have wow 7 times on my PC (US + CHN versions together). all diff version numbers and some temp installs to play and try around with.
thats a LOT of GB, folks. now add 2-3 more (TBC is bigger even) to that. crap.

i am gonna see how fast it will download. eventually i can use our huge office bandwidth. we'll see.

its good to know korea has the same problem, being patched to x.11 . that might be an asia wide version then. could you guys do something silly? are trial accounts for twn still available?
please compare build numbers, and have someone from korea login to twn server or the other way around. i want / need to konw if they have an additional check in-game in TBC or if they just check version number.
because the approach for a "universal solution" is different then.

thank you.

going to sleep now.
hugz

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  Mon 2 Apr 2007 - 17:45  #
Well.. I've done the dirty deed. I'm using korean version of WOW now. So, please let me know the address for the Taiwan WOW server? Then I'll modify my realm file and give it a try...
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  Mon 2 Apr 2007 - 21:02  #
krusty you got the us client 2.010 working on korean 2.011?

the tw server is tw.logon.worldofwarcraft.com
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  Tue 3 Apr 2007 - 13:25  #
I'm using korean client 2.0.11.

I tried to connect to Taiwan server and got no wrong version when I tried (only wrong user/pass). I would conclude that the korean client is same as taiwanese client.

What now?
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  Tue 3 Apr 2007 - 18:19  #
what now?

i'm leveling slowly 200k into Level 61 and 140 on jewelcrafting

once I can play in english i will enjoy it ... probably
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  Tue 3 Apr 2007 - 22:02  #
good news:
if you can connect with the KR client on TW server it means TBC still does version check only. not other secondary checks fro region of the client.

this means: we can ust the exact same approach as for v. 1.12.3,

use TW (or KR) client's files that are needed for version check (wow.exe and a few DLL files, etc), and then add the resources which are in the TW/KR client to our US client.

has anyone found out which files are in the TW/KR client that are not in the US client? (files inside the MPQ files)

if you dont understand what i mean, i will give a simple graphic explanation with a few screenshots on how to do this and what i mean.
i can check the US TBC client from my end without probs. i have one. i dont have the TW / KR client.

even a simple file listing of the whole tree of wow with all MPQ files decompressed would be enough for me to see it. (filename + size)

again. if you dont know my meaning, ask, i explain and ont bite. we all have the same goal.

basically, once i know the files, you can forward only those files (shouldn't be too huge, considering i am only getting the actual patched files) and i can do definite tests for our patcher.

other question. is there a specifi patch for TW/KR version, from 2.0.10 -> 2.0.11? if so, tell me where to download it. basically thats all i would need. if you have it in your wow root somewhere (background downloader leaves them there), let me know, or upload someplace. thanks.

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  Wed 4 Apr 2007 - 1:36  #
Naklin,

Yes. There's a WOW 2.0.10 to 2.0.11 update for korean client. If you want, I can send you the file since it's rather small update. Please send me a PM on how to provide you with the file (I don't have any place to upload the file). I'll do a MPQ file listing as well as you request. I'll try to do it this evening if possible.

What MPQ program should I use ? WinMPQ ?

Cheers!
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  Wed 4 Apr 2007 - 18:04  #
the patch is 209 to 211
WoW-2.0.9.6438-to-2.0.11.6489-zhTW-patch.exe
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  Thu 5 Apr 2007 - 7:58  #
I'll leave this to you guys, ain't my beef Sad
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  Thu 5 Apr 2007 - 15:08  #
Woho! Korean server has been updated to same version as US!
Finally I can do some serious gaming! Smile
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  Thu 5 Apr 2007 - 18:00  #
Ting bu dong ...

I assume that TW have updated to 2.0 and now people at the island is desperate?

S
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  Thu 5 Apr 2007 - 20:31  #
BOOYA..... seems like TW will do same then and hopefully we will be DIRECTLY at US v.

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  Fri 6 Apr 2007 - 23:41  #
the us client has been 2.012 a few days

btw dont take jewelcrafting , im 310 and the last 20 levels cost 100g alone
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  Sat 7 Apr 2007 - 18:00  #
100g... hmmmmm still cheaper than enchanting to level...
and 100g you can 2-man farm in Stratholme / undead side in about 1 hour - 2hours, for each of the 2 men (being 2 mages who can aoe)

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  Sat 7 Apr 2007 - 18:00  #
i will be happy to give the aoeing guides / instructions for farming mages here in the forum

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  Sun 8 Apr 2007 - 16:49  #
How about some tutorial for us Druids ?

Serious help needed.... I need to become a decent feral druid (equipment guide required..what? Where ? How?) !
Been healer until BC and changed now to Feral.
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  Mon 9 Apr 2007 - 5:48  #
just fish outside of wailing caven and sell those deviate delight for 10G a stack. take about 1h to fish 10 stack, that's 100G.

OR team up with other druid or rogue and stealth in instances and kill bosses.
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  Mon 9 Apr 2007 - 11:02  #
oh just a quick word dont bother wasting time getting better eq, a lot of it can be replaced in a few days when you go to the outlands

my third toon a noob mage, hit 60 a few months ago and is already +360 spell dmg and +420 frost damage and 70% of the items are from quests 61-62 mostly soloable

quests that you can solo have rewards that can replace bwl drops - sux for raiders ha YEPPPP


waste your time farming, as you will need 5-6k for your 280% mount
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  Mon 9 Apr 2007 - 15:00  #
hmmm... true....... so i am only 60 and have way more +DAM / +HIT / +crit than you..... including items which are still of high value at lvl-70, because you wont replace them as quick, even with questdrops.....

the casual players / quester gear becomes stronger, yes. i will replace some pieces, yes... but it'll be long time before you get epixxx, and some many are fully viable at 70 still. or check char profiles from top raiding guilds in US / EU, and see them still running around with neltharion's tear, etc.

if you never had any raiding equp. then yes, dont bother trying to get some now. but i am at 600 spelldMG with 16% crit and 16% hit...... now guess who will butter through quests and dungeaons faster? your 60 green mage or my mage?

see my point?

happy getting to 70.

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  Mon 9 Apr 2007 - 15:10  #
my mage isnt even my main or second, its my third :p

i just decided to play it first since he could make his own water

and im playing in chinese which i cant read at all so L63 isnt bad considering i cant read any of the quests

nothing crazy like that guy that hit 70 in 24hrs , our server first L70 took 5-6 days, i guess the china servers will have many L70s on day 3-4
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  Mon 9 Apr 2007 - 15:16  #
this quest reward takes under 1 minute in a group and probably 2 minutes solo

http://thottbot.com/i28075

for the casual it is an epic even though its blue

blizz is making it so that everyone (apart from raiders) gets good gear

my nooby rogue hasnt even started leveling but i have sent him 8pcs of green boe that dropped
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  Mon 9 Apr 2007 - 20:53  #
it seems awesome because your mage didn't have epics.
thats my point. my T2.5 would last longer than your greens or blues. and yes, blizz makes stronger gear, because even the casual will face stronger mobs. same than you wont compare hurricane bow (lvl 42 or 46 epic) to a level 60 epic bow.
but the hurrican bow is still lasting me on my hunter at level 54. see my point?

my epic shoulders i have now +zg enchant have a longer use
http://www.thottbot.com/i21345

even though all shoulders for mages suck somehow. same goes for belts.

point being is that some gear is very useful, still at 70. not saying i will entirely keep it. it will surely be replaced. but not "that" fast, and not by any drop that has 1 DMg more on it. simple fact remains that you need to balance all stats. -10 spell resistance > 5DMG ... and the mana regen is sweet to have (less drinking = faster grinding). i got tons of regen gear.

i see your point. yes. it'll be replaced yes, but probably for the casual player well before the raiding player.

furthermore, blizz did not make casuals and raider's the same.
check high end instance gear, and its far beind that.

they just made it more simple for the casual one to access a high end instance, while being 5-10 man.

the highes tier instance wont be accessed by any casual in the next 6 months though, if you check how many other instances he should have completed in hardcore mode + grinding reputation + finishing LONG questchains, before he can gain access.

i rarely see casuals do the sick reputation grind that blizzard offers us each time.

trust me, the difference will be there again, and again, the casuals will whine and expect to run around in uber-gear for zero effort.
time is an effort as well. and i know many people who employ lots of time and still dont get the gear because god knows why they dont get past a certain point in the game.

we will replace gear. but raiders will do it later and with much more care than the casual gamer, who will finally have more than +150 spellDMG on his back.

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  Mon 9 Apr 2007 - 21:02  #
a simple little example.....

check mage T4-set headslot:
http://thottbot.com/i29076

now check my head (not including ZG enchant):
http://www.thottbot.com/i19375

T4 has "mainly" 13int more than my current head. the other STA / SPI differneces are VERY minor and unless more gear adds in small doses, just for this one slot, unnoticeable.
you will notice the int difference. yes. but then again. you gotta be already level 70 (!!!!) to use it and master dungeons in hardcore mode to obtain this drop.

see my point?
it'll last me. don't worry. not all of it. but some things will last.
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  Mon 9 Apr 2007 - 21:19  #
now, you got me curious....
and except one single level 66 blue,
all other headpieces that thottbot shows me, i would gladly pass on (except current T2.5 / T3, but thats level 60).

all the drops i would gladly take to replace my current head are instance drops at level 70, in heroic mode.

i searched for headslot + level61-70 + cloth + drop, quest, vendor.
try this link:
search results on thottbot

so i guess... yes, my current gear for which i am still raiding is gonna last me hell yes, long enough until i get better ones, and instance boss dropped gems + setbonuses ot offer.

depends on the slot i guess... checking for other slots.

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  Mon 9 Apr 2007 - 21:30  #
checked for trinkets....
i think i must have done something wrong with thottbot search.
find only VERY few +DAM trinkets from 61-70.
on the other hand, it confirms what i see from character profiles of US raiding mages who still use BWL trinkets at 70.

i only got this result for my search trinket + level61-70 + spelldmg
click here for results

on the other hand... it would confirm why i stilll see tons of raiding mages with my trinket
http://www.thottbot.com/i19379

2:30 in morning... cant sleep... so i will continue to draw comparisons

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  Mon 9 Apr 2007 - 21:39  #
its a pain to search... but again, another post...
i'll stop posting links, except if you still insist raiding is useless and that i will replace my gear at the same time your green mage does.

i just checked through almost every slot there is with available options.
and the earliest i would replace any piece would probably be at 66, and some at 68.
there rest would then be replaced mostly by... (again) raiding and instance gear.

my hunter alt (who will hopefully soon be 60, hopefully before TBC starts) will most probably.... almost 100% sure replace his gear at 61, 62, 63, 64,..., 70.
because he hasn't raided yet, and because either i wont sleep and not go to work and hit rank 14 pvp, or he simply will be in greens / blues and crafted gear + hopefully some farmed DM gear.

casual gear != raiding gear. and now, thanx to your post which gave me the incentive to check on gear, i know why i still raid (apart from the fun).

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  Tue 10 Apr 2007 - 4:16  #
lol ok ok no more gear posts
i assume you knew some effects like spell hit/crit give <50% of its bonus at L70
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  Tue 10 Apr 2007 - 5:25  #
yap i know the curve of the ratings. thats why i posted links.
my headpiece still gives 0.2% more than the comparably linked one.
thottbot writes the euivalent % value for level 70 next to the ratings, and you can find the curve at www.wowwiki.com as well.

i looked a lot into gear, for a long time. STA is being bursted massively, in order to avoid current one-shotting of casuals.

if i see an equivalent of an "american / european casual" geared player on our server, you can be sure he gets one shotted.

i read thottbott and alakhazam forums + blizz forums last night, and when i got to the new spell Ice Lance, i saw people complaining that mages would hit them at 70 for 2200 crit while frozen. my current frostbolt crits 2200-2600 unbuffed, depending on mob / player. and it crits a lot... hehe...
i did calculations with ice lance and curretn +dam gear and a mean 40/0/21 arcane-ice build, and ice lance should crit beyond 3000, especially if you arcane power + trinket it.... i might get it to about 3400 with current gear and that build, which is insane.

i think there is a difference between western "casual" players and chinese ones. chinese "casuals" still do BWL / TAQ, etc...

last night farming DK with some friends (gonna post the video, you MUST see this), everybody complained about one mage (4 mage group), because he "just hit 60" and how come the sucker only had 270ish spellDMG gear.

i just think the chinese people go for the gear more, at the lack of talent and skill in some cases. but hell... they do what they want.

for itemisation though, as a mage.... tailoring FTW..... crafted epic sets will outDMG T4 and have WAYYYYY more STA for PVP...so i know what my entry set for arena matches at 70 will be.

Naklin will definitely stay tailoring / enchant, and luna will respec mining this week and take 2 nights to twnik him to 300, and then pick up jewelcrafting. with the instances being low numbered groups, there is a higher probability to get the "drop-recipes" than in 40 man raids. its worth the while.

so i'll be crafting lots of shit for you guys.
to all shadow priests and locks out there (as well as mages)....

have a look at the tailoring gear for higher levels.... it is BADASS.

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  Wed 11 Apr 2007 - 13:47  #
ya icelance was imba but now,once you crit a frozen target it becomes unfrozen even by coc - sux

folks were being pummeled by icelance crits over and over until they died

cant wait fot icelance

and as for tailoring, omfg not gonna drop 3xx mining/jc for it but my main shadowpriest might take it up
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  Wed 11 Apr 2007 - 13:50  #
oh btw a lot of the tailoring items are bop so the creator must wear it

i really wish i took tailoring ..... and not jc
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  Wed 11 Apr 2007 - 14:02  #
icelance behaves on crits the same way fireblast does now....
cast frostbolt, spamm icelance or frostbolt during cast like an idiot, both will most probably crit....
i do the frostbolt + fireblast thingie for ages.... on any good moment i get 3500 DMG in 2.5 seconds... ain't that a joy... ^^

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