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 Reorganising Raiding for Accessability and Progression

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Warmaster_Blackhorn 
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  Sun 7 Apr 2013 - 4:53  #
After several weeks of the current raiding schedule of 2 nights for progression and 2 nights for gearing up others, we have run into numerous difficulties. The progression group doesn’t have enough time to actually progress far, and new people may not see how to join a regular raiding group which will try out new content.

Therefore, after some discussion, we are going to try a new structure for the raiding teams which will offer more time for progression, and, hopefully, more relevant content for new raiders. This new schedule will be in place for the next 2 weeks as a trial and we are always open to suggestions on further improvements that will help you.

NOTE: These are experimental setups and will be modified regularly in the next few weeks until we find a good option.

Progression Raid Group (Team 1)
Schedule: Mon, Wed, Sat from 8:45pm (UPDATED)
Goals: To push through ToT and progress into heroic content
Membership: Basically fixed team with ilvl 500+.
Talk to: Blackhorn, Katryn (Easi, Easiest, Marez)

Second Raid Group (Team 2)
Schedule: Tue, TBD from 9:00pm. (UPDATED)
Goals: To gear up in MSV, HoF, ToES and start raiding in ToT when average ilvl reaches approx 495-500. Raids will probably include ToT Boss 1 (Jin’rokh), ToES bosses (especially elite mode Protectors), and HoF.
Membership: New raiders, PVPers who want to raid, Team 1 alts
Talk to: Katryn (Easi, Easiest, Marez), Flexi (Lavaburst), Pwn (Katsuma), Tim (Boney, Stabmon, Sacrilege)

For both teams, we are ideally looking for people to be there regularly. However, even if you have an irregular schedule, it doesn’t mean you can’t join us sometimes.

Please inform one of the raiding organisers listed above if you’d like to take part, and if you have any suggestions, please feel free to post them below.


Last edited by Warmaster_Blackhorn on Sun 7 Apr 2013 - 11:41; edited 3 times in total (Reason for editing : Updated raid days for both raid groups)
Lavaburst 
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  Sun 7 Apr 2013 - 5:19  #
lets count how many people on Wednesday ,TBD including potenial guys

Tank: Flexi ,Dreadcow,Easi
Healer:Boney ,Nuttier,Ed,Androgino,Dan,Korie?
DPS:Katsuma,Spinebreaker,Evilyn's alt?,Scribber?,Bhrunthor,Orimus,Fizzle?,Arcvation?
did i miss anyone ?

I believe most of guilders dont read forum time to time ,can you set a guild message to let them know you already posted here the change

also ,if possible ,can we do a survey about 2nd team attendace on every Wed ,dont have to be very accurate ,just need to know who definitely can't come on that day or days ,that way we can arrange saving spots/finding replacement
Ninsun 
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  Sun 7 Apr 2013 - 5:46  #
I was partly AFK while the post-raid discussion was happening last night; also, I didn't get a chance to put this suggestion to you before you went offline.

The one problem I saw is that we'll kill all the easy bosses on Tuesday (as we usually would) with a full strength team, but then be down at least one core healer on Thursday, when we're working on new bosses and, presumably, need the most experienced/best geared healers. If we're handicapped in healing, I think it somewhat undermines the premise of an extra progression day.

I made the suggestion in gchat that we could do Monday, Wednesday, Saturday.

It still keeps the non-consecutive day format, allows backup progression raiders the chance to get some loot off the easy bosses on Wednesday, while ensuring the normal raiders are there for the new bosses.

Warmaster_Blackhorn 
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  Sun 7 Apr 2013 - 6:09  #
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did i miss anyone ?
Other possibilities: Koops?, Spooky's Warlock alt?, Bald?, Dontoretto?, Barbapapa? 一不动一?

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I believe most of guilders dont read forum time to time ,can you set a guild message to let them know you already posted here the change

Shall do.

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can we do a survey about 2nd team attendace on every Wed
I think that will have to be done in game really by simply asking and telling people about everything. Maybe mass in-game mail?

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If we're handicapped in healing, I think it somewhat undermines the premise of an extra progression day.
Hmm...that makes a lot of sense, Ninsun. For this, lets as on Tuesday night how many of the progression group can be there consistently on Mon, Wed and Sat. I'm sure I can reorganise my schedule that way at least. Gives us a last chance on Monday nights to beat a troublesome boss.
Ninsun 
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  Sun 7 Apr 2013 - 6:47  #
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I believe most of guilders dont read forum time to time ,can you set a guild message to let them know you already posted here the change


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can we do a survey about 2nd team attendace on every Wed
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I think that will have to be done in game really by simply asking and telling people about everything. Maybe mass in-game mail?

I don't want to seem like I'm intruding on something that probably won't end up involving me too much, but I think people who want to join this second raid should be strongly encouraged to make an honest post here about when they can attend, I'd even go so far as to say make it a requirement. Half of the second raid is going to be made up of core raider alts (that is, people we know will turn up) anyway - however, all this planning could be for nought if players in the other half of the raid make off-hand comments of commitment, in whispers or in-game mail, but don't turn up in the end anyway.

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If we're handicapped in healing, I think it somewhat undermines the premise of an extra progression day.
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Hmm...that makes a lot of sense, Ninsun. For this, lets as on Tuesday night how many of the progression group can be there consistently on Mon, Wed and Sat. I'm sure I can reorganise my schedule that way at least. Gives us a last chance on Monday nights to beat a troublesome boss.


When it comes down to it, the suggestion - I do feel a little self-indulgent making it - is to accommodate the healers. Another thing that occurred to me is that it seems a little unfair that Nutted would potentially miss out on getting a new kill because of the Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday schedule; like it would be for Blackhorn if the schedule was Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday. Personally, the reason I use my 'night-off allowance' (Laughing) on progression nights is precisely for those first kills.
Lavaburst 
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  Sun 7 Apr 2013 - 8:54  #
soory Ninsun..should have put your Enkidu into the list as well Very Happy

yeah ,i totally agree with that people who want raids regularly ,people should post here about when they can attend ,its OK that sometimes cant come ,but should let us know in advance,raid spots should be always saved for regular raiders ,if you cant give any guarantee about regular attendance ,then we cant guarantee your raid spot either ,people should know that

personally i do not have any issues about the change or to be change,i am available any time

seems only Thursday is not good for nutted ,Monday should be good for him ,pretty sure Kat ,tim ,pwn are okay about this ..just need confirm with tab and period if raid on Monday
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  Mon 8 Apr 2013 - 9:18  #
Enea(Darque, Rodhull)

My alts...

Why does everyone always forget me!! Very Happy

As for days... For me what ever is set is fine with me Smile but earlier than 8:45pm start for me is not easy as kids around etc.
Enea 
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  Mon 8 Apr 2013 - 9:22  #
Lavaburst wrote:


seems only Thursday is not good for nutted ,Monday should be good for him ,pretty sure Kat ,tim ,pwn are okay about this ..just need confirm with tab and period if raid on Monday

Forget me again... :/
Lavaburst 
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  Mon 8 Apr 2013 - 10:54  #
sorry my bad ...i always assume you are the most stable raider ,even more than kat ,or myself or everyone ,dont need to list you
cause you are always listed in most of us minds
Enea 
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  Mon 8 Apr 2013 - 12:04  #
Is it because I'm so elite that you don't notice me? Laughing
Lavaburst 
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  Tue 9 Apr 2013 - 4:37  #
you are ,your dps is now crushing mine ,which is good thing for raid ,which also makes me sad ,casue i sold all my enhancement gear to vendor before 5.2
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  Tue 9 Apr 2013 - 8:18  #
Nadagastt (Spooky's Warlock) Checkin In! =)

If there is a spot for me, I'd like to join you guys ^.^
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