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deadanus 
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  Wed 11 Jul 2007 - 7:26  #
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?0250030000000000000000000000000000000000000005500530302021003501051

I think it's the highest burst possible with a rogue...

Any comments ?
partyboyz 
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  Wed 11 Jul 2007 - 7:38  #
Definitely gives high burst damage though out of stealth you'll be pretty ineffective. I can only see this build being suitable for battlegrounds by ambush -> backstab -> any combo point and restealthing (vanish) repeat. I would swap remorseless attacks with murder since you're looking for high burst damage. Swap hemo with elusiveness since this is definitely not a hemo build without ghostly strike and the lack of points in assassination.
deadanus 
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  Wed 11 Jul 2007 - 8:03  #
There is no hemo in it... And i have elusiveness...

And for a better burst, i'd go for :
shadowstep/ambush/backstab/evisc(either4 or5)...

Vanishing after the first BS doesn't really make sense :)

For remorless, it gives u 20 sec to ambush again with +20% dammage wihich is way better than murder...
deadanus 
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  Thu 12 Jul 2007 - 7:20  #
It Works Smile

I tried it in a WSG and the result is pretty cool ... First DPS, first kill, first killing blows. I didn't use dommage poison or any buff.

partyboyz 
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  Tue 17 Jul 2007 - 10:26  #
ah ye i left out of shadowstep but ye what i meant was backstab -> combo point (combo point meaning evi / rupture etc ). After thinking it over ye i think you're right remorseless should be taken over murder way underrated talent
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  Wed 18 Jul 2007 - 22:11  #
I'd go with something like this
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?0250030000000000000000000000000000000000000005500530302021003501051

1. I must be missing something; why you didnt take improved eviscerate? with the bonus from AP and agility you'll be doing huge damage with evis.
2. those points in malice can go to elsewhere, you can put them on remorseless if you want a 100% crit ambush; after a kill....
3. I think camo is way better than MoD; at least imo...you don't stay in one place in pvp.
deadanus 
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  Thu 19 Jul 2007 - 4:19  #
the build in your link is the same as my link...

1. improved eviscerate is not that good in the sense that enemies are dead before i can use 5 points combo most of the time (not bragging).

2. 5% crit is very important. Most of my gear got +hit because i was raiding before and 30% crit minimum is a must have for this kind of build.

3. i took both... Check my build again LOL...

It could be possible to take 3 points of malice away in order to get 3 in improved eviscerate...
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  Thu 19 Jul 2007 - 13:21  #
ah duh i copied the address on the url taskbar
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?3200030000000000000000000000000000000000000000500530302221203531051
deadanus 
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  Thu 19 Jul 2007 - 13:26  #
u traded 5 points of MOD for 15% avoid AOE and -20 energy on cheapshot and garrote... I don't think it's worth Smile
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  Thu 19 Jul 2007 - 13:46  #
I usually stay farther from my target; and when am close i usually ambush anyways.
I prefer 15% to avoid AOE since that really screws mages and priest's since frost nova and psychic scream have 20 sec cooldowns and we don't have cloak of shadows yet; and I rather use the horde insignia for hunters' ice trap.

How do you fight against classes like warriors and paladins?
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  Mon 8 Oct 2007 - 8:04  #
Hi there, i also have a rogu, but i don't know how to do he template.
Nobody use more the 1st branch ? Why ?
deadanus 
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  Mon 8 Oct 2007 - 9:10  #
what is your level ? your gear ? your goals ? (pvp or pve) ...
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  Mon 8 Oct 2007 - 13:51  #
lvl 60 (stille sleeping), Gear is all blue no epic and goal PVE and BF.
deadanus 
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  Tue 9 Oct 2007 - 8:10  #
if you wanna DPS go 20/41/0
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  Tue 9 Oct 2007 - 8:42  #
dam i put a lot on the 1st branch... maybe useless??? i made somethink like that :
http://worldofwarcraft.judgehype.com/index.php?page=Tsimulateur_rogue&t=3253030255501325200003200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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  Wed 10 Oct 2007 - 5:37  #
really bad build for DPS Sad sorry. If you go for DPS PVE, you need the second tree mostly.

I will post detailed build and explanations later this week .
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  Wed 10 Oct 2007 - 16:15  #
ok thanks
keichimayu 
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  Wed 21 Nov 2007 - 20:05  #
for pvp i think one of the best build whit two sword.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?3253101050001000000000000000000000000000000005002530030321212501050

i crit on cloth whit aldor sword and the first blacksmithing sword for 2300 whit evisceration and sometimes for 3300 but rarely.

i mean whit this build i can kill a mage whit 9K HP in around 6 or 7 seconds ...
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  Thu 22 Nov 2007 - 6:50  #
6-7 seconds is 75% of a 2v2 match.
nonetheless, your build (havent had a deep look, just looked how many points in which tree) seems fine for pvp.
on the other hand, be very careful about 6-7 seconds. a mage that lets you hit him for that long is weak. very weak.
i would believe you in terms of 6-7 seconds hitting him in a 20 second fight. sounds better and more real.

its like me with the mage now, where my frostbolts average crit for 4100 now, but i need 2.5 seconds being gimped and not moving for the cast. i take down people fast, in theory, but it takes longer due to the whole moving around thing. ^^

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