I must admit i am quite a geek sometimes...

I made a excel sheet to see how much honor i need to grind to get all the good PVP items necessary to start arena well at lvl 70...



I truely hope that honor gain is faster at higher level... Otherwise, it's really gonna be hard

amazing, and so much honor points.

its gonna take awhile noticing how horde got lots of problems for bgs.
out of 4 av matches yesterday, it took like 30 min for each; and horde losed all

I also have the same bad experience... I think horde only wins like 10% of the time

yeah, I haven't won one AV match.
I notice the discrepancy on strategy between horde and alliance, the alliance always drops like 10 players on the bridge point for defending; while horde puts nobody on their base to protect the entrance to the base.

It was either that; none of the faction leaves defenses or both faction puts defenses, but at this rate horde will continue lose all their av match.

You're losing because you are facing teamed battleground opponents. To see if you're facing against teamed battleground opponents just check if they are all from the same realm. I have won all my AV games (i'm on horde) by joining know as 国家队 where u form a team to compete in battlegrounds. I can make 10k honor each day fairly easy.

no it's not organized teams, it's just that hordies are idiots and dont know how to get organized on the spot.

i will not believe I have been 100 organized teams in a row. (that is about the number of av token i have).

They are everytime from different Realms, and Alliance often win (Well, my experience... Alliance side)

But, now because we only need something like 15mins to wait before entering AV, I didn't win a single Arathi or Warsong BG since the up-date... everyone leaves when AV is calling...
The only way is to create a Realm raid, we even use UTalk... but the honor increase is not the same

May the Honor be with you!

AB honor increase and wSG honor increase is INSANE compared to AV if you team up good 10-15 people.
given the fact that horde always loses (and NO, its not 国家队 in AV, because you can't join as group), yet sometimes it takes a long time, and most honour is only gotten during initial 15 minutes, its a quite a loss of time.
my usual AB group finishes 1 AB in about 4 minutes, we won and have no lost time. same goes for WSG, where we win in about the same amount of time, sometimes faster.
Its seldom that we dont win or it takes time.
so, i for myself, if it weren't for tokens, wouldn't be in AV at all.
if you COULD join as raid, i would be, because i would scrounge 40 good guys together that could run over ally teams, but then... we can't join as group, so no dreaming needed.

horde plays well in AB, well in WSG, and they totally suck in AV in china. its a fact. they focus wrong, noone defends, and alliance has better chokepoints to hold people back than horde.
you place 5-10 people on bridge, and with 2 towers, its hard to get by.
horde base has no true chokepoint.

AV organized teams are called 奥山国家队 or 奥山队。The way you join as a group is by using team speak and everyone clicks the join button at the same time and joining the same game. Though you have to understand and can type Chinese to follow the leaders instructions and commands in game. Usually 30 people organized can easily make it into the same game. I played organized AV a lot when they had the bonus honor and usually lose maybe 1-2 games a day.

the current player flux in the BGs, due to lack of players running instances, makes it almost impossible to join as team. it happens, but hardly.
we ARE organzied, and we DO type chinese, and OPBVIOUSLY, 国家队 for 奥山 is called 奥山国家队, yet the joining the same AV is not an easy task due to the amount of AVs open right now and the maount of players.
eralier on, before patch 2.1.2, it was a piece of cake.
Thats what i mean.

greetz, i know what i am saying as well. =.= ''